21: Pushing Yourself Out Of Your Comfort Zone with Jamie Muffett
Behind Their Success: Ep 21
Jamie Muffett: [00:00:00] one of the best things I could do for my career was to go super out of my comfort zone
Welcome to behind their success.
Paden Squires:This podcast is for people who are feeling stuck on their entrepreneur journey or in their careers. It's for people who want to scale and grow their businesses, learn about the power of mindset, or they just know there's more out there and they want to start making changes.
I'm Peyton Squires, the host of the podcast. I was never cut out to be an employee, and when I was an employee, I was bored out of my mind. So I made a plan. I studied and passed the CPA exam in eight months while working, all with the end goal in mind of quitting my job and starting my own business. I did that in 2014, and it has been an amazing wild ride since.
So now let's hear from other entrepreneurs, and what mindsets, and probably more important, what actions they have taken that have created and led to their success.
Paden Squires: Welcome back to Behind Their Success Podcast. Today we [00:01:00] have Jamie Muffett on. Jamie is a voice actor, a podcast producer, audio engineer, and educator who divides his time between New York City and Philadelphia, PA. For the past 10 years, Jamie has lent his voice to thousands of voiceover projects, national commercials in the U S and UK, and around the globe.
Paden Squires: He's been involved in over 60 documentaries, promos for NBC, ESPN, CNBC, Nickelodeon, Reels Channel, and also for video games. Jamie has a friendly, reassuring, and flexible voice. He has an authentic British accent, but also can do Scottish, Northern English, Irish, and Cockney accents. Jamie produces and co hosts the prestigious In the Envelope podcast.
Paden Squires: Some of the guests have included Natalie Portman, John Krasansky. Henry Winkler and Seth Meyers. Jamie, good morning. Welcome to the podcast.
Jamie Muffett: Thanks so much, Payton. I really appreciate you inviting me here today. I'm looking forward to talking with you.
Paden Squires: Yeah, absolutely. So Jamie, you know, [00:02:00] I read your bio there a little bit.
Paden Squires: Give us some more details about your background.
Jamie Muffett: Well, I originally started in music production. I went to school for engineering and that's how I came into that, And I've always liked the sort of tech side of music. I'm a musician as well, but, you know, I've sort of very much in the band, I was sort of the guy who recorded everyone, right?
Jamie Muffett: And so I always skewed that way. And I was working in music in the UK. I have my own studio and,like a local studio, my, my sort of hometown and, really enjoyed that. My wife's American and we came to a sort of crossroads in our life where a few things ended and there were some question marks as to where we were going to go.
Jamie Muffett: And we were like, you know what, let's go. Let's maybe try America, you know, she spent some time in the UK and it was sort of unfair to reciprocate. So I moved over to the US and we moved to New York with literally a couple of bags
Jamie Muffett: And before I moved over, I was like, well, music is a pretty precarious [00:03:00] industry. So Let me try something else. And because I was able to record myself and had all that experience doing that, I was like, I don't know, maybe voiceover, maybe the Americans like a British guy. Maybe that can make some money.
Jamie Muffett: So, you know, work with what your mama gave you or whatever expression is. Um, so I just dipped my toe in the water with it in the UK a few months before coming over and like that week I was just booked for a gig and I was like, Huh. Wow. Okay. Maybe this is a thing. And, Pretty quickly, everything shifted to voiceover and that became my primary focus.
Jamie Muffett: I was still doing music until about 2016 when we left New York, but now, I keep my eye in with production because I've started a podcast production business, RPS, and I literally, I've been doing that for many years now. But yeah, so originally started in music production and that shifted to voiceover and then music production came back in a bit with podcasting.
Jamie Muffett: And now I do the two things concurrently.
Paden Squires: Interesting. Yeah. So, I mean, it's going to be strange, right? [00:04:00] Or, you're just watching TV or watching different things and all of a sudden your voice pops up. Yeah. Does that make you feel or do you have friends that recognize your voice on some of these?
Paden Squires: Yeah, like sure. It's funny.
Jamie Muffett: I got a text from my sister the other day in the UK and she was kind of like after a long day at work, she was kind of on the sofa and she was kind of like, almost dozing off. And then all of a sudden I do the fanatics ads in the UK for like fan merch for sports.
Jamie Muffett: And she heard me yelling at the camera, Jamie, what? And, uh, you know, she was like, Oh God, I keep hearing your bloody head on the TV. Got to be annoyed by it. It is a slightly odd thing for sure. but the thing is. No one likes the sound of their own voice, right? It's pretty, pretty normal.
Jamie Muffett: I have edited so many thousands of hours of my own voice that I've become, I wouldn't say I like it, but I've become ambivalent to it at this point.
Jamie Muffett: Unfortunately, hearing myself back is a big part of my week. So it's pretty normal. yeah, the fact that it's on [00:05:00] TV, on radio, or video games, or whatever, is okay. Once it's happened a few times, it's it's not that special.
Paden Squires: take me back. So you came to America, what was the time frame there?
Paden Squires: End of
Jamie Muffett: 09. We moved over.
Paden Squires: End of 09? Okay. So you came here with a few bags and no connections, like, Where'd you start?
Jamie Muffett: Well, we came to New York for a start. So that's obviously a big deal. That was immediately like straight into the fray.I will name drop a little bit back in the UK. I taught the drums.
Jamie Muffett: There's another sort of string to my bow that I was doing back in the UK. And I learned about Keith Richard's son, Marlon. And he was in New York in the nineties and knew everyone. So he was like, Hey, you got to meet this guy. he's the guy you got to meet this guy. And so when I came over, they, we, he connected me and, and it was great.
Jamie Muffett: Like I got to go into studios and I got connections that way. I met musicians and people like that with voiceover. It was just like,[00:06:00] almost hate to say it was just like the easiest breeziest entry into a career you could possibly imagine. I sent a few emails and I signed up.
Jamie Muffett: Some online like marketplaces. And, I got my agent as a result of the first email I sent to an agent ever. And she was like, yeah, sure. We'll try you out. Let's see and being a niche in an industry is a blessing and a curse. there's not the volume of work out there necessarily, but you're also kind of a big fish in a small pond.
Jamie Muffett: they didn't have too many Brits on their roster for talent. It was like, yeah, sure. we'll give you a try. And so they'd send me out to auditions and it took me a while to start booking. But when I did that, I'm like, okay, this guy's worth investing a bit of time in, and then they signed me up.
Jamie Muffett: And, it was, I really can't say it was. a struggle, quote unquote, what is difficult in this industry is just, you're just going out for so much and not booking most of it, so essentially it's just a bit of a slog that way. You're constantly being sort of, you know, I don't like to use the word rejected, but essentially [00:07:00] that's what it is.
Jamie Muffett: And so when you're starting out, you're, Kind of dreadful at it because you don't know what you're doing and, you slowly figure out as you go along. And, I didn't have any voiceover training in voiceover. I did a little bit of acting when I was in school, but that's about it.
Jamie Muffett: and you just kind of fumble around being dreadful until you're slightly less dreadful,
Paden Squires: right? Unless
Jamie Muffett: you're a doctor or a lawyer or something, but pretty much everyone else has that process, I think, right?
Paden Squires: Yeah. And I, you know,I hear that, that kind of story, I guess, from, from a lot of the different entrepreneurs and people I interview is that, yeah, you're going to be terrible for some, you know, just generally, right.
Paden Squires: You're not going to be good. You know, no one is, it's very rare for anybody to like to be naturally good at something. Right. I mean, they may have the genetics that make them, you know, tend towards something, but still at the same time, having to tease that out and grow those skills. That's how everybody has to operate.
Jamie Muffett: And you may have innate. skill and quality, but you've got this big sort of barrier of confidence that you [00:08:00] have to overcome and that can really hold you back. And I found, whatever innate talent I had, it was definitely shielded by my complete lack of confidence. And the more you do something, the more that level of paranoia starts to decrease and it allows you to just do whatever it is that you do unencumbered, whether that's good enough to super compete at the highest level, like it really depends the industry, the person, et cetera, and your responsibilities in life.
Jamie Muffett: But,confidence is something that sort of takes a while to be earned.
Paden Squires: I a hundred percent agree with that and stuff I've experienced in my life. And, as you say, as you fumble around, you bounce into walls and you start to figure a few things out and you start to become more confident because you can actually predict.
Paden Squires: the process and what's going to happen next because you've been down those roads so many times. But the important thing is not only, you get that confidence, but then also, people are looking for confidence from you. And when you have that confidence, people are going to feel a whole lot better about working.
Paden Squires: Oh,
Jamie Muffett: a [00:09:00] hundred percent. the amount of times I went into a studio, In New York and it was a bit of almost isn't like that anymore because everything's everything so remote now, but you go into a studio and the, the marketing person for the come for the brand that you're working with is there and the, bunch of other executives are there and PA and they're always just sound sat on the sofa behind the glass and you're in the booth.
Jamie Muffett: doing a wacky stupid voice, you know, and it takes a certain amount of, suspending of disbelief to just go, I'm just gonna do this thing. And let's see if it's okay. And then voice actors will tell you the same thing. there's a certain paranoia when you're just standing there after you've done your take.
Jamie Muffett: And there you can see them through the glass and you can't hear them because it's soundproof. And they've got this serious look on their face and they're talking. You're like, Oh God, what did I do? What did I do? Is that they hate me? And then they, the amount of times they've come on the talk, basically, Oh, sorry, Jamie, we're just ordering lunch.
Jamie Muffett: We'll get back to you in a second. They're really agonizing over what they're going to have for lunch. And You sort of have to, I think, that's the best way [00:10:00] to build confidence is just to,I don't want to say go through trauma, it is definitely, it beats out that level of paranoia because you're like, there's so much I can't control, I'm imagining 90 percent of the horrors that are actually occurring and, that's not to say that people don't suffer, horrible things, but, certainly in my experience in my line of work, yeah.
Jamie Muffett: I've imagined much more negativity than actually existed.
Paden Squires: and that's so normal and the things we make up in our heads are amazing. And like you said, they're, you know, 90 plus percent of it is never going to occur. It's just something we, our brains are just searching for problems and the other piece of that, you know, talking about trauma and.
Paden Squires: Obviously we got to stretch ourselves to grow and, you know, when we stretch ourselves too fast, too quick, that's when we do experience trauma, but there is, there's healthy stretching and growing just like working out or, even just physically stretching, right? If you stretch too far, you're going to hurt yourself, but that slow, you know, ever increasing.[00:11:00]
Paden Squires: Stretch is where the growth happens.
Jamie Muffett: And I think, I probably misspoke when I said trauma. I think more discomfort is probably a better word to use because trauma is much more extreme,being awkward and embarrassed in a voiceover session is not traumatic, but, yeah, discomfort and putting yourself in a difficult position, like one of the hardest things I ever had to do in the, my line of work was mocap.
Jamie Muffett: So you. You go in for a video game, for example, and you're in what's called a volume and they put a headset on you and they've got cameras that are filming your face and they've got cameras around the room that are filming all your actions. And for me, I'm very cozy and comfortable in a booth with a script in front of me, but I was not bargaining on going onto a stage and interacting with other actors and having to be off book and there's all this technical stuff that you have to consider as well.
Jamie Muffett: But that whole process of Being super nervous super uncomfortable and feeling really weird in my body and [00:12:00] not knowing, you know Forgetting like how to walk from A to B, because it feels weird when I got back and did voiceover Everything was like this is a breeze, like Everything just thought was no problem I was confident and you know It was one of the best things I could do for my career was to go super out of my comfort zone And I learned I don't really want to do mocap again.
Jamie Muffett: I've done it a bunch of times, but I'll do it if necessary. But, it really made me appreciate, all the benefits of regular voiceover,
Paden Squires: Yeah. Yeah. Going out of the comfort zone. That's so key. And it's something I've experienced in my line of work too, is, you know, I started my business.
Paden Squires: 10 plus years ago. And, I'm thrown in a million different positions, literally meeting with thousands of different entrepreneurs. And yeah, I used to be really nervous walking into meetings and not knowing what I'm going to get myself into. but now if I know I'm going into some sort of tax meeting, like I can go in there just almost completely blind, have no idea what's going on and still feel confident to be able to come in there and provide value and be able to guide the conversation.
Jamie Muffett: And it's just pure experience. Yeah. [00:13:00] And confidence in your ability that no one's out to get you. And that, if you don't know something, it's not the end of the world. You just say, I'm sorry. I'm not,I'm not sure about that answer to that question. Let me look into it. people aren't, As a rule out, people want to project the fact that you're competent and they want you to be good at what you do.
Jamie Muffett: And, like you said, all the, all those, negative thoughts are somewhat self imposed.and the more you do something, I think the more you just drop that paranoia. And we all live relatively cushy lives these days, right? What's the worst that can happen? a little bit of embarrassment or a little bit of, fumbling for your words, or it's really not the end of the world.
Jamie Muffett: and Yeah, the funny thing is the moment you start losing that paranoia, the better you get and it's like a sort of virtuous circle, like the better you get and then you're less paranoid because you're better and it's like, but that first stage, that first hurdle to overcome, you just kind of have to, I guess, stick it out, you know, and just keep doing it.
Paden Squires: Yeah. And that's, I've talked about that before about that virtuous cycle, [00:14:00] right? Yeah. You do something, you get a little better. So you get a little more confident. So you get even a little bit better and then a little more kind and it just feeds on it. But the opposite is true too, right?
Paden Squires: Like you get a negative thought, so you perform a little worse and then you get more negative thoughts. And like those cycles, right? You know, everything accumulates, right? It even accumulates up or it can accumulate down. and it's obviously great to get those virtuous cycles. Yeah.
Jamie Muffett: Yeah. There is no perfect life, right?
Jamie Muffett: there, you'll have periods where you do something really well and you have things that you lie awake at night and cringe about, mean, that's, that's life, and. I guess the things people do say, you know, you learn from your kind of worst moments and probably more than you learn from your sort of wins.
Jamie Muffett: And I'm getting better. I'm not great at taking the win, like in really appreciating wins. I'm, I tend to dwell on the negatives. I'm trying, I'm really trying my best to be better at that. and, because otherwise you could just spend all your life. You know,it's a multitude of things, your life.
Jamie Muffett: So,it's what [00:15:00] you choose to focus on, is more your reality,
Paden Squires: Yeah. And my conversations with high achievers and different entrepreneurs is, yeah, they're just, as a rule, generally terrible at celebrating wins, because they're so future focused. Right.
Paden Squires: And they're always, and I'm the worst at it. You know, I had. I had this goal I've been trying to hit for like three years and I found out two months ago. I got it. And I went in and told my right hand man, my best friend, my employee, I was like, Hey, I got this. And then I just walked away and he stopped me.
Paden Squires: He said, no, get back. Yeah.this is a big deal. You know? Yeah, it's just something I just blow right past. I'm like, okay, what's next? Yeah,
Jamie Muffett: immediately. Well, it's time to raise the bar. That obviously didn't put the bar too high. yeah, my wife is constantly saying, just take it in, like smell the roses or whatever it is, you know, yeah, it is definitely a difficult thing when you're so [00:16:00] future, focused and It is a challenge to sit there and just be present, there are books on it.
Jamie Muffett: Get a therapist, , like all of these things are helpful, you know? Yeah. yeah, because life can, I guess,pass you by if you're constantly just reaching for something that's just out of reach, you're not appreciating what you have right now. And yeah, I know we're getting all philosophical here and I don't feel qualified to talk about that , but I can tell you my experience and that is what you described is almost a day-to-Day occurrence for me is just.
Jamie Muffett: I could appreciate what I have.
Paden Squires: So Jamie, you've had a certain level of success, in different areas. What would you credit as the number one reason for that? Or your skill or why do you think you've had so much success in your area?
Jamie Muffett: I think probably just doggedly sticking at the thing I'm doing. I know that sounds kind of a lame answer, but. I coach people occasionally in voiceover and the people that are successful are the ones that just keep doing it. And that's, you know, I know I've had people who come in and they've got this incredible natural talent and they're [00:17:00] brilliant, and, But if you don't pair that with that sort of consistency of putting in the hours and not being put off, if there are setbacks, that's the dream ticket.
Jamie Muffett: You have talent and you have that sort of level of determination. That's perfect. But usually there's a bit of a, one sided thing. Maybe they're really determined. I'm like, maybe you should maybe stay yourself in this direction because you've got a really niche voice or, there's something, like I say, they're really talented, but they.
Jamie Muffett: They kind of fall at the first hurdle because they're used to getting a lot of positive feedback or something. I don't think I'm the most naturally gifted voice actor. I think I definitely, that's why I started RPS, the production side, because that's the thing that I really, deeply invested in and love doing for the podcasting.
Jamie Muffett: But from voice acting, I've had, I have done well in it and, but I've been doing it for 15 years and it wasn't a meteoric rise by any stretch of the imagination. but I prefer it that way because it's got good solid foundations. Oh, don't get me wrong.
Jamie Muffett: I've had my moments of [00:18:00] self doubt. when we were in New York, and we had no money, our entertainment, my wife and I would just walk around the city, it was just such a cool place. Like you would just walk for free. We wouldn't take the subway, just walk everywhere. And my wife will tell you how much I bent her ear about how lacking in confidence I was. Oh, am I wasting my time doing this?
Jamie Muffett: And, she was very supportive and very, Kind listening to be moaning on and on but there was a many, you know She should have given me a slap of you know, a couple of times And so I think that sort of consistency and just sticking it through even you know The amount of times I wanted to throw in the towel like Probably is why I've done well in voiceover and I'm doing all right in podcasting too.
Paden Squires: yeah, I mean, you know, consistency is everything, right? I think around entrepreneurship and what have you, that people see successful people in their different areas and they think, Oh yeah, they were just naturally talented because I mean, like they're looking at the finished product or, a way more developed product, right?
Paden Squires: but that's not how anything [00:19:00] works. like you look into somebody that's an overnight success, you actually look into their past and there's, five, 10 years of doing something consistently and they finally just hit some tipping point and explore, right.
Paden Squires: It's not that, Oh, they just appeared on the scene and they're, you know, a huge voiceover actor, right?
Jamie Muffett: And, There are hidden advantages and privileges that some people have that others don't and I would put myself in that category. I was able to, admittedly we lived in a tiny shed little room in an apartment in New York.
Jamie Muffett: We didn't have tons of money, but we didn't have kids. I didn't have to look after an elderly parent. I was fit and healthy, all these advantages that enable me to throw myself into it and do that. There's a lot of luck and a lot of life circumstances that contributed to that too.
Jamie Muffett: I remember when I was in New York, I would go to these, like when I was there, I realized at some point, I'm not taking full advantage of being in the city. And I'm living as if [00:20:00] I could be anywhere. So I'm not comfortable going to networking events. That's just not my comfort zone. But I'm like, look, just do one a week, do one a week for a year.
Jamie Muffett: try and just throw yourself in the most uncomfortable situation. And I was able to just go, okay, I want to do that. Put myself in an uncomfortable position. And I learned a huge amount about communication and connecting with people and getting out of my own way. And, not prejudging things and what I'm comfortable with and what I'm not.
Jamie Muffett: But again, I was in New York City. I had the time. I had the essential ability to get there. These are all privileges that if you're in the middle of the country and you don't have access to that stuff. it's recognizing your privilege and it is do the hard work and work where you can to improve yourself and improve your career.
Jamie Muffett: And, good things will come from that. and then, like you say, statistically, the overnight successes, like you say, right place, right time. Daddy made a call. I could intern at the company because I didn't have any bills to pay, you know, like this. Loads of situations where, things can [00:21:00] happen just by accident,
Paden Squires: and it's true.
Paden Squires: those big successes, those things come around and, we all get lucky in different ways and it's not, you know, some, a lot of those things are outta control. But the important thing is doing, like you said, the internal work and pushing yourself. Yeah. So that, you know, going to all these network events and doing all these things that you are prepared for when the opportunity shows up, right?
Paden Squires: You are ready. If you didn't do any of those things, the same situations could have come about, the same opportunities could have come about, but you wouldn't have been ready for it.
Jamie Muffett: Yeah, I just met people I never would have met otherwise. And you may, maybe, it's funny when you look back at how, you know, certain things have happened and you look back at the circuitous path with which you got there, you're like, wow, if I trace it all the way back, if I didn't go to that one thing, like that wouldn't have, I wouldn't have met that person.
Jamie Muffett: And then that person introduced me and, putting yourself out in the world, it's funny how things can have a sort of butterfly effect later on. And when you are in it for the long haul, you start to notice those little things coming back to [00:22:00] you.
Jamie Muffett: And you're like, Oh, wow, I sent that email like in 2010. And maybe this guy could help me blah, blah, blah. And, you know, the amount of times that's happened through any of the direct marketing that I've done over the years and something come back to me and I see my email from like a different decade, you
Paden Squires: but it's in, you know, like you said, it's all planting seeds, right?
Paden Squires: It's just planting all these seeds. You have no idea what the future is going to hold or any of those seeds are ever going to turn in anything. if you don't plant the seeds, you're definitely not going to, so you just got to plan them all and
Jamie Muffett: see what happens. shit at the wall, right? To see what sticks.
Jamie Muffett: I mean, it's a crude way of putting it, but I mean, I've spent my whole life doing that. Um,it's finding your lane. yeah, I dunno. I think these days, you mentioned it earlier having skill and blah, blah, blah, but everyone's skilled in something, multiple things. Most people are skilled in multiple things.
Jamie Muffett: I always think about the voice or [00:23:00] something like that, or American Idol or something, and they're all great singers. But Broadway is full of great singers and dancers and actors like,it's not that special to be talented in something, but what can separate you is like we're talking about and not to flog a dead horse, but It is putting in those hours and doing that extra, amount of work that will separate you and consistently over time.
Jamie Muffett: And I don't believe in beating yourself to death and putting in 14 hours a day just for the sake of it. And you're going to burn out and it's going to, you're not going to be able to sustain that and it's not good for your relationships, not good for your health, et cetera, et cetera. But really over time, consistency is the key, across the industries that I've worked in. and, It does tie into what we were talking about at first. you do desensitize yourself to paranoia. I am able now to come on a podcast and just chat with you and not worry about the fact there's an audience. And, people may be judging me. Well, they definitely will. That's the nature of podcasting.
Jamie Muffett: But It is [00:24:00] what it is, you know, you put yourself out in the world and, you know, you, hopefully you can just be honest and a human being. And then, that's all you can do, and getting out of your own way is, has been a big, a learning process for me.
Jamie, if you can go back, you know, from your perspective today, what piece of advice would you give yourself?
Paden Squires: So, you know, you just arrived in New York city, brand new, don't know anybody. What would you tell yourself?
Jamie Muffett: When I moved to New York, I felt this huge sense of liberation because I was from a small town in the UK and, I wouldn't change that person at that time because I immediately landed in the city and was just like, Oh God.
Jamie Muffett: No one's seeing what I'm doing. I'm completely anonymous and that's wonderful. So I wouldn't probably change that, but in general, maybe I'd go earlier in my journey and in my twenties or something, and just say, just relax, turn down the brain, I think until I. started putting in some work to actually focus my thoughts a little bit.
Jamie Muffett: and, I do a thing called Morning Pages. I'm not sure if you're [00:25:00] aware of that. it's from, tell us about that. it's from a book called The Artist's Way. every artist, artistic and it's the antithesis of where I am, which is why the book's so good for me, because I can be a little on the cynical side, a little on the sort of woo, I'm not interested.
Jamie Muffett: but the morning pages, it's just, You're just vomiting out your thoughts and so you write it down on paper or, I got this like board where you can use a stylus and you just press a button and it deletes it. but you spend 10, 20 minutes every day, just automatic writing.
Jamie Muffett: Essentially. And it is astonishing how good that is for my mental state over time. Because I, you realize quite how many random thoughts creep in and all these worries and concerns that you have. And it's almost like I equate it to when you have a nightmare and you talk it out. And the moment you verbalize it, it loses all its power because most of the time they're ridiculous.
Jamie Muffett: Right? [00:26:00] So it feels similar to that. And I found that it's really helped me to sort of order my thoughts a little more and to be less chaotic mentally. And, so yeah, I would say. To my early self, do morning pages as early as possible and maybe you won't be quite as nuts.
Paden Squires: Yeah, no. And I've, I've recently, I would say, maybe three months ago started a journaling type.
Paden Squires: activity myself. and it's really just like a couple times a week. I have thinking times when it's called, you know, I'd sat there with a journal for 20, 30 minutes or however long it goes. And it's really just to set there, try to shut my brain off and pay attention to what like pops in, right? And just write it down.
Paden Squires: And it is amazing. Like, All these things that are running through your head that you may not even realize or you don't slow down enough to actually process it or take it in and how much those things can be affecting you and also like just [00:27:00] the great ideas that pop in your head. that, maybe now that you've written down and focused on it, you could maybe even go execute on it.
Jamie Muffett: Yeah, absolutely. I've all of the above for me. And it helps me be a little less neurotic. That's good. Good for my wife.yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's a sort of discipline, and there are definitely days I'm like, oh, I can't be bothered, but, those are the days when you really need it, right?
Jamie Muffett: Because You know, just wake up 10 minutes earlier and just do it. Just don't even think about it. Just sit down, have a cup of coffee or whatever and just write. There are no rules, you just write. And if you find yourself not writing, you're not doing the task. You can literally talk about, Oh my God, why am I not writing that right now?
Jamie Muffett: just write. And you learn your thinking patterns a little bit. And,with a lot of things. Awareness is the first step, right? To, you know,progression. So I would recommend for myself and for other people to try Morning Pages and try the book. it does feel a little, artsy fartsy, right?
Jamie Muffett: But if you're not that minded, which I'm not, [00:28:00] it's a good mindset to break you out of, rigid thinking and harsh judgmental thinking, Yeah.
Paden Squires: I'm an analytical type guy, And an accountant and what have you. And, some of those kinds of things, especially younger days, like if it's not practical or concrete, whatever that, Things seem a little woo to me or whatever.
Paden Squires: Right. But you know, I've gotten to the point now where I have a visualization, which is like a eight by 10, a normal piece of paper front and back. And I read that thing every single morning and it takes about 10 minutes. And on that piece of paper, it talks about everything.
Paden Squires: That's important to me and what I stand for and what I believe and then also on the backside it has all my goals and everything I want to accomplish and how I'm going to do it and how I'm going to measure it and hold myself accountable to it. And it's amazing when you start repeatedly reading that stuff to you, how your brain starts to look for those opportunities and starts getting a whole lot of clarity that you lacked, before you started doing stuff.
Jamie Muffett: Yeah. I would say that I would recognize the [00:29:00] same thing as the clarity is the big one. and I think for those listening that are dismissive of this, it's not going to be for everyone for sure, but I would ask yourself, why are you so dismissive?
Jamie Muffett: Is that not a little clue ? The fact that you're maybe not quite as open minded as you thought you were. I was that way. my wife was encouraging me with this. And she would like,why are you so hesitant to do this? As a, are you scared of something that I was like,no.
Jamie Muffett: I just feels like a waste of time. You know, defensive, you know,And that is, interesting information. It's a data point for yourself. I am resistant to this. Why is that?
Paden Squires: like I said, always a little resistant to that kind of stuff, but what helped me a ton was getting around people that I wanted to be like, and that were doing stuff like this.
Paden Squires: And I see how successful it is for them. And it's like, well, What excuse do I have now? Yeah. . I have these people that I'm trying to emulate and they're doing it and they say it's awesome. So what's your problem? . I know.
Jamie Muffett: some of the greatest thinkers on earth are meditators. Right. And are really [00:30:00] into all that kind of stuff, which I think that's sort of a next step for me.
Jamie Muffett: I still don't understand what it is, Exactly. But, uh, I've dabbled. Oh yeah, I've dabbled. You tell me what is it, ?
Paden Squires: Yeah. It's, so hard, especially for my personality or what have you, where it's, um. To just stop, you know what I mean? To stop for long enough to get value out of that. yeah, I'm just, I guess a wild animal that needs a lot more
Jamie Muffett: training.
Jamie Muffett: Well, is it like when you go on vacation, you come back all kind of fired up because you've had that rest, it's giving yourself a little mini vacation. Is that what it is?
Paden Squires: yeah. And that's true. I would agree with that comment. something, certainly an area that I got to get better. Well, there we go.
Jamie Muffett: Every day is a learning day.
Paden Squires: Yeah, that's right. That's good. Well, Jamie,we've had a great conversation here. What's the best way people can connect with you or work with you or What's the best way people can get in touch with you?
Jamie Muffett: Well, if you're interested in starting or working on a podcast, you can go to my website, rps [00:31:00] audio.
Jamie Muffett: com. That's my new company. And I help people to create websites, launch websites, and, Create podcasts, launch podcasts and, grow them and meet the audience that they want to connect with. Um, for my voiceover work, you can find me at jamiemuffettvo.com That's two F's and two T's in Muffet, vo. com, jamiemuffetvo.com
Jamie Muffett:. And I'm on social media and the usual places.
Paden Squires: Very cool. Jamie, I appreciate you coming on today. We love the British voiceover. That's fantastic. It's always so soothing. I love it. You're welcome.
Jamie Muffett: I didn't really do anything to earn it, there it is.
Paden Squires: Yeah, there you go. You gotta, like you said to me, and you gotta work with what your mom.
Paden Squires: Exactly. Thanks so much. I
Jamie Muffett: really enjoyed speaking with you.
Paden Squires: Absolutely guys. Take care. We'll see you next time.
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